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I had an Infiniti g37s that had been stolen. It had after market exhaust with cold air intake. It was very quick and fun, but I raced a new BMW M3 and the M3 walked away 4 car lengths when we both hit 80mph. We were side by side, nose to nose until then. I was told that the M3 had a supercharger because it began to whistle at 80mph. I'm just looking for something super fun and fast that can keep up with competition. Any suggestions? I have been researching Audi TTS and the S4. Anyone know which might be better?

Need minimum of 4 seats

Will consider both new and used cars
Maximum mileage: 70000
Maximum age: 6 years

Maximum price: US $ 25000

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Response from LectroFuel

7:48 pm November 24, 2017

The TTS will obviously handle better and be more tossable than the S4. However, the S4 is more practical than the TTS if you care about that. They are about just as fast, but I'd want some luxury so I'd take the S4. That's personal preference, but the S4 is .1 second faster to 60 comparing a 2010 S4 to a 2010 TTS. For straight line performance, the S4 will probably be better, but for twisty roads the TTS is better and probably more fun.

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Audi TT

Response from NormT

2:13 pm November 27, 2017

Find something like the 2.0T in the Cadillac ATS4 2.0T. I was tuning mine to 400 lb-ft of torque and with AWD it just put the oower down and wss gone. I did have Verano 2.0T with 6-speed manual that was putting down 360 lb-ft of torque with a Trifecta ecu tune for $300 before the ATS. The FWD was good for highway driving as I was able to spin the tires, then moved to suburbia. Now AWD wss king from a stop or around corners to put all that torque down. That was Verano wold oull forever at highway speeds on up. Ask the 2009'ish CTS-V that stayed about 15 car lengths back from 80-160 mph....mostly 4th gear.

The torque created by the turbocharged engines you need AWD these days to put it all down.

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Buick Verano
Cadillac ATS
Buick Envision

Response from clearwaterms

8:18 am November 28, 2017

given your budget you are probably looking at used cars beyond the warranty period. Additionally, as a member of true delta I am assuming you are concerned about maintenance and upkeep costs. As a rule of thumb, german cars are typically more expensive to maintain with scheduled maintenance and unscheduled repairs being noticibly more expensive than Japanese or American cars.

That being said, here are a few cars that I would consider/research. In no particular order

1.) first generation Lexus IS F? reliable toyota v8, rwd, 4 door.
2.) previous generation Dodge Charger R/T (big, v8, etc.) or challenger if you want a 2 door car
3.) 2013'ish STI.

if you are not afraid to get your hands dirty and maintenance costs don't scare you, the 335 BMW has alot of potential with a tune.

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Response from LectroFuel

9:13 pm November 30, 2017

Response from NormT

10:06 am December 1, 2017

Response from NormT

10:42 am December 1, 2017

Response from NormT

11:02 am December 1, 2017

The Charger, IS300-era, WRX/STi, and both Audi's are right in the 52-53 mph CR Emergency Handling Test except for the Audi which surpassed the 2016 Buick Envision at 55.5 mph.

The reliability of all of them according to CR is in the 1-3 range out of 5. Only the IS gets a 4.

All of thr above are poor choice in vehicles when age and no warranty is considered

A better choice would a 2014 and later Buick Regal 4 out 5 or 5 out of in reliabilty on CR and one that handles with the best of them brakes shorter from 60 mph, and has a warranty . All the while can be found on cars.com for $20's brand new. Or pay a little more for torque vectoring AWD.

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Buick Regal

Response from clearwaterms

11:36 am December 1, 2017

@normT

I have not been here long and only frequent the site on or about the time I need to update my reliability score on my vehicles. That being said, I have noticed that every one of your recommendations is a buick (or cadillac) and while GM's improvement has vastly improved in recent years and the last few Cadillac products have been great (the ATS is widely considered a true competitor to the BMW, Audi, and Lexus) its hard to not think of you as purely just a fanboy of the brand when it is the only thing you ever recommend.

Please note, I am not attacking the brand, or your loyality, but simply questioning the validity of your advice if the only thing you ever do is post information from a single source (consumer reports) and only ever recommend a single brand.

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Response from NormT

12:55 pm December 1, 2017

I should have mentioned I used Truedelta's data, the website you are posting on, where applicable. Sometimes they reference to certain vehicles that do not have enough data to quote them. CR is a subscription required site so consider it a gift if you don't pay $30 annually.

My opinion is based on a vehicles on own. Because vehicles are not free and no one is subsiding our purchase I shop price, fuel economy, and performance. GM, new or used, is offering some of thr best cats since about 2013 and that is where my mouth. It is difficult to find an unreliable vehicle today within the statistical error in reporting. I also own more and less expensive vehicles and usually average one different vehicle per year from German, Australian, Swedish, and domestic makes. I have owned multiple vehciles from those countries and from Canada, Korea, and China. I am also a high performance driving instructor for a handfull of car clubs and like most instructors develop a knack for defining strong and weak points in driving dynamics in cars from the right seat. So I have some seat time in different cars from different parts of the world.

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Response from LectroFuel

8:48 pm December 1, 2017

@clearwaterms

I completely agree. You have only posted a few times and you already have noticed that NormT only suggests GM. I think he should take his "suggestions" to Reddit.
What Car Should I Buy?

He tries to make good brands look bad even when they aren't. He calls me a Toyota fanboy. Calling him a GM fanboy is putting it lightly. He has recommended GM cars 350+ times on TrueDelta. It is OK to be a fanboy or have an obsession for a brand, but when you do it that many times, your posts become meaningless. I recommend many different brands, rarely American brands. His points that he tries to make are usually completely invalid, biased, or he tries to find a fault in a specific car (usually a Toyota) to make GM look better. It gets repetitive after his first couple posts. For example, in this post, he thinks a 4 cylinder Buick Verano or Envision will be the right car for a person who wants to keep up with an M3. There is really no point in being on this website if he doesn't recommend a variety of brands because he is just steering people in the wrong direction.

The "My Next Car" section of TrueDelta was actually very popular with frequent (reliable) posters and free from bias until he started posting. I just like being a member of TrueDelta because I love cars, it isn't as crowded or popular as Reddit, and it is a really helpful website.

Being a driving instructor should mean you have time with a variety of cars. I am not a "high performance driving instructor," but I know a Buick Verano or Envision would not beat any of the cars we have mentioned in a race, which is what the OP is wanting to do. Why not suggest a Mitsubishi Mirage, Chevy Aveo, or Kia Rio?

Consumer Reports and TrueDelta are some of the most trusted sources of information for cars, although I don't use CR much for reliability anymore (I use carcomplaints.com). C&D and Motor Trend are pretty good, but don't have survey data about reliability and don't really care, as MT just named the Alfa Romeo Giulia the 2018 Car of the Year.

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Response from NormT

10:49 am December 2, 2017

Aside from the personal attacks from Electrofuel, I'd still look at adding a ecu tune to a Ecotec 2.0T for $300. The extra 100 lb-ft of to around 360-380 lb-ft from 80 mph on up out run anything Japanese V6 this side of a Nissan GT-R.

Or lock the cruise control at the speed limit with a Ecotec 2.0T and enjoy almost 40 mpg.

Sorry Electro, no Toyota can do that.

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Response from cksurfing

6:53 pm December 2, 2017

Response from cksurfing

7:10 pm December 2, 2017

Appreciate all the responses. NormT, I've thought about the Cadillac, but one conflict is that my G37s smoked one by a car length and a half. We raced three different times on the same stretch of road because we continued to get stopped by red lights.That guy was so ticked off cause his car was new, but probably not modified at all. The third time I actually gave him a car lengthat the start and I still passed him by. Clearwaterms, I'm not on that much of a budget, but I know where I like to be at and I know how to shop really good. I also do all themaintence on all vehicles that I have owned, so that's not really an issue. I know to stay away from BMW though, plus, you see them everywhere you look. Infiniti parts a very pricey by the way, and I bought many for my ride. Sucks that my car was in top condition when it was stolen. But, to let yall know, I'm a bit materialistic and I'm at an age to where I wantwhat I want, rather than, what might be best for the money. My G37s was loved by many women and the way I drove it helped me to seal the deal with many of them, lol. I'm liking Audi because I've researched them a lot and they are dependable, and they hold their value very well. I've even broaden my searches and am now considering S5 models thanks to Lectrofuel's response of specs. But even at that the TTS is a four banger and being ,1 second behind a S4 is pretty impressive. About the only other car I'm really wanting to purchase is a Jag, but those F-types are so damn expensive. Thanks again and it would still be great to hear more suggestions.

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Response from NormT

9:35 pm December 2, 2017

if not a Buick, then stick to a tuned 2.0T for sure!

https://youtu.be/gljVDROWDY0

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Response from LectroFuel

7:18 pm December 4, 2017

Audis are not really dependable. The repair costs are still very high like MB and BMW. Lexus and Buick will have lower repair costs and Lexus is the most reliable brand. An old Lexus IS F, like clearwaterms mentioned, is a good one with a big V8 as well as the STI, which is not as reliable, but still cheaper to fix and modify.

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