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2017 Ford Edge Limited 39,000 miles or 2016 Rave 4 limited 23,000 miles

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Thinking about waitng to check out the 2019 New vehicles EDGE and Rave 4. Smooth quiet wet handling AWD Dependability.

Having a hard time choking on new car and used car prices...looking at something a year or 2 old at least a 2016 we like Blis cross traffic alert..big clear display and eas of use controls..the Edge seems pricier than the Rave BUT a bit bigger...we are coming from Buick Park Avenues...and also have a Chevy Impala 2017 which we do like a lot..BUT looking for the SUV for the AWD and ability to have room for hauling things that the old fashion trunk just does not fit anymore...like old car designs..we think the CVT trany's may not be as reliable...aka Subarue and heard things bad about Nissan..and as for the Equinox start stop..GEEE and the extra battery...at 61 the Mrs and me at 55 we would like it to last 10-15 years and look at reliability and overall cost/ depreciation..we do have a chance at a 2017 Edge Limited april 17 build date with 39500 miles on for $25,000 maybe get it for 23,000??? also a Rave 4 limited 2016 with 23,000 miles asling $27000 maybe get it for $25,000, both look clean and non flooded....etcbasically Clean..any thoughts...vehicle long term...bad stories things to consider I may be missing...

Priorities: Ride smoothness / Safety & braking / Reliability & durability

Need minimum of 5 seats

Will consider both new and used cars
Maximum mileage: 40000
Maximum age: 2 years

Maximum price: A $ 28000

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Response from danlisahall

3:07 pm July 11, 2018

Of the two cars you are currently considering, the RAV4 would be my choice based on its excellent record of longevity. Read on if you want to look at other models.

Since you are a current, happy GM owner, there are a several GM fans/experts that frequent this site who I'm sure will give you the low down on what might work from GM.

I'm gonna be the contrarian here and suggest you not overlook Subaru. They tick off your boxes and their CVT is actually pretty good - considered one of the best by most. The bonus that while not a lot of SUVs in your price range have a full set of modern safety features many 2015 -16 Subarus do. You should be able to find a good used 2015-2016 CPO Forester or Outback with an extended warranty within your price range. Their apparent Achille's Heel is that somewhere between 5-10% burn oil and may need a quart every 2,000-4,000 miles as they age (2-4 yrs). However, actual engine failures are rare as long as one knows how to check the dipstick, do it regularly & top up the oil as needed. Given you currently drive a couple large GM sedans which are known for their comfort, you would probably prefer and plusher Outback over the more utilitarian Forester.

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Response from LectroFuel

6:20 pm July 11, 2018

I would kick out the Edge because reliability hasn't been great.

RAV4: You choose this one if reliability is important. The ride is smooth in the 2016 and newer ones. 2013-2015 had harsher rides. It is just a little bit slower than the 4cyl Edge. It gets better mileage than the Edge. All the safety systems will be on the Limited trim. You'll probably get 100k miles more out of the RAV4 than the Edge. Everything is tried and true and works.

Edge: Reliability isn't as good. It drives smoothly like the RAV4 and handles better than the RAV4. It weighs 600 pounds more than the RAV4 and therefore gets lower MPGs than the RAV4.

The Outback might be a good fit like Dan said. I'd skip the Forester because it is kind of a tin can.

Take a look at a 2012 or newer Lexus RX350. They will give you more life than the Edge and they are more quiet and comfortable.

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Response from musicdoesit

6:25 pm July 11, 2018

Thanks for the advise ya that outback is prety dam nice a drove one a year ago...I see that they are popular in the northern parts of the county..the closest dealer is 60 min away..for service etc...well we will wrestle away...I think we are leaning Rave 4..just that it looked like maybe a decent deal on a higher milage Edge might be an option..Turbo longevity on that 2.0 ecoboost etc...Thanks again...

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Response from LectroFuel

8:06 pm July 11, 2018

Look at the CPO Outbacks with the 7 year/100k mile powertrain warranty. Toyota and most other brands have the same CPO warranty, but some have comprehensive warranties.

I would recommend the 2015+ Chevy Equinox because it is quiet and soft riding, but there is really no reason to get one because the RAV4 does those things, is more reliable, has more features, and is a little more reliable.

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Response from NormT

10:07 am July 12, 2018

The Buick Envision Premium l fills your requirements and offers more luxury trimmings than all of those already mentioned for $28,000 with 17K miles and longer CPO(certified preowned) warranty. We have a 2016 and love the reclining and siding rear seats to accommodate cargo, cargo and adults or the dogs with the rear seats slid forward for about 35 cu ft of cargo holding in the rear or slightly less than Edge's 39 cu ft behind rear seats.

We see 32 mpg at 65 mph with our Envision 2.0T and it handles exceptionally well but still retaining a smooth and quiet Buick ride. The Active Twin Clutch AWD is one of the best systems as it can send 100% torque to a single wheel while the others slip, no buttons to push or modes to enter as it is always on and ready.

This 2016 Envision is $28K with CPO and 17K miles while a new can be purchased for $33-34K they hold their value very well and include leather seats with heated front and rear seats along with heated steering wheel, hands free lift gate, cross traffic alert when backing out of parking space, forward collision alert, back up camera with steering wheel guided lines, blind spot alert as well as radar parking sensors front and rear, front vented seats, trizone climate control you can control from the front or rear passengers can control on their own.


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Response from mkx-models

7:54 pm July 15, 2018

Hi,
Could not agree more with NormT's reccomendation for a Buick Envision. The Buick will give you way more "bang for your buck" for $28k than the Rav or the Edge, as the Buick is a true luxury vehicle. After test driving an Envision, I can say that it rides smoother and quieter than my parents' 2015 Rav. If I were you, I would at least consider an Envision- you might be surprised. I would stay away from the Edge. Reliability with the latest gen has been spotty. The Rav is a reliable vehicle that will last for many years to come. (And with only 23k miles on the clock...) However, the Rav is a somewhat boring vehicle to drive. I would strongly recommend looking at the Envision with the 2.0T engine, and if you don't like it, that low mileage Rav sounds like a great option for you.
Happy shopping, let us know what you end up doing! :)

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Response from musicdoesit

9:27 am July 16, 2018

Hello Envision Recomendations:(a copy and paste for another response too Thanks) just to get back to everyone.

Thanks: I see there was another one here as well....anyway I will go out and drive a new one and a used one...(I also may wait 1 year yet) BUT....I also see that the car makers between 2015/2018 really changed/stepped up the game on the safety options warnings bliss sonar etc and even larger dash LCD screens...smoooth Buick really does catch my eye...I have not reallly thought about the Envision because /Equinox has that start stop technology..I am really...hummm on start top from GM...I did drive the Equinox and did compare the 1.5 to the 2.0 and ya that 2.0 is more my style..anyways like I mention to the dealers I am not in a hurry like I need to buy or have to..I like that position but at the same time my 2002 Park Ave very clean with 168,000 on now I just replaced the 2 front hubs $600 and fad on the brakes ended up with replacing the rear rotors and I also wanted the Tensioner replaced too since it sounded like marbles..anyway that was 600+ so I just unloaded $1275 on the Park AVE...( I was planning on selling that privately for 2500-3000 with 2 sets of tires (snows with Buick rims) anyway I think I am good for a year plus yet aiming for a for sure new vehicle by July/Aug 2019.. I see Toyota came out with $2500 off for cash aslo by next year 2017/2018 even more 2016's may come off lease with the limited options and even high end Envisions..or go NEW. This is a great group ( car talk thoughts and encounters of cars ) I wanted to mention the positives of the site and people who enjoy and value car talk..Thanks again

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Response from musicdoesit

9:28 am July 16, 2018

Hello Envision Recomendations:(a copy and paste for another response too Thanks) just to get back to everyone.

Thanks: I see there was another one here as well....anyway I will go out and drive a new one and a used one...(I also may wait 1 year yet) BUT....I also see that the car makers between 2015/2018 really changed/stepped up the game on the safety options warnings bliss sonar etc and even larger dash LCD screens...smoooth Buick really does catch my eye...I have not reallly thought about the Envision because /Equinox has that start stop technology..I am really...hummm on start top from GM...I did drive the Equinox and did compare the 1.5 to the 2.0 and ya that 2.0 is more my style..anyways like I mention to the dealers I am not in a hurry like I need to buy or have to..I like that position but at the same time my 2002 Park Ave very clean with 168,000 on now I just replaced the 2 front hubs $600 and fad on the brakes ended up with replacing the rear rotors and I also wanted the Tensioner replaced too since it sounded like marbles..anyway that was 600+ so I just unloaded $1275 on the Park AVE...( I was planning on selling that privately for 2500-3000 with 2 sets of tires (snows with Buick rims) anyway I think I am good for a year plus yet aiming for a for sure new vehicle by July/Aug 2019.. I see Toyota came out with $2500 off for cash aslo by next year 2017/2018 even more 2016's may come off lease with the limited options and even high end Envisions..or go NEW. This is a great group ( car talk thoughts and encounters of cars ) I wanted to mention the positives of the site and people who enjoy and value car talk..Thanks again

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Response from mkx-models

1:12 pm July 16, 2018

Just a tip to help you with your car shopping:

Never buy a GM vehicle for MSRP. There is almost always a rebate/discount going on. Also be sure to shop around at other dealers too. I would recommend using cars.com to shop new and used vehicle listings. When I purshased my Enclave a few years ago, my local Buick dealer was listing them at MSRP (and they didn't even have the color I wanted!). On cars.com, I searched within 100 miles of my location for my dream Enclave (color, options, etc.) and found it- for almost $7k off MSRP! Toyota (and almost any foreign cars, for that matter) very rarely will have such steep discounts as Ford and GM do. Never take the first quote you get from a local dealer. Cars.com ended up saving me $7k!

Good luck with your search for a new car!

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Response from LectroFuel

8:00 pm July 16, 2018

mkx-models had good advice. I'll add that you should look everywhere. I have never bought a new car that was shown as an online listing because all of our new cars have been on backorder. Our most recent used car purchase was done through looking at the actual dealer's website because it was not on any of the other websites (cars.com, Edmunds, CarGurus, Autotrader, etc.) and it turned out to be an excellent CPO car in great condition at a good price. You'll want to look on both these car-buying websitesand the dealers' websites. GM usually has the best rebates and their reliability deficit compared to most Asian brands is not significant when you save all the money from the rebate that could go to future repairs. This was AcuraT's (another Envision-owning member) logic.

You said you want to keep the car for another 10-15 years. GM has changed their cars a lot in the past few years and thus only have a few years of proof of how they hold up, but this is initial quality and not reliability. We have current proof of how 15 year old GM cars hold up and that isn't promising because most of them were terrible. We have proof that Toyota and Honda have made great cars since...forever.

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Response from musicdoesit

11:15 am July 17, 2018

GOOD Point on the over time maintainance..I may have over maintained my cars..sometimes replaceing a starter for example at 110,000 miles just because its key and part of winter starting..with a manufacturer model...but ya my wifes 1998 3.1 motor was terrible and springs breaking/suspension..oh a Malibu...reliability really does mean a lot.
Thanks for the input...OH all posting advice here I think I forgot to mention I have been kind of scanning Lexus (USED RX 350) at least 2015

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Response from LectroFuel

12:40 pm July 17, 2018

There is nothing wrong with the Lexus. As long as you aren't looking for sporty driving dynamics it is a fantastic car. It has also been the best selling luxury vehicle in the country for a while now. It is quiet, comfortable, and reliable. The V6 is buttery smooth and tried and true. It isn't a turbocharged 4 cylinder, which is becoming the norm. It seems like it would be significantly more expensive than the used Envision and RAV4 since Lexuses don't depreciate quickly.

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Response from mkx-models

10:19 pm July 17, 2018

Lexus builds very reliable vehicles. My friend has a (I believe) 2005 RX330 with well over 200k on the clock and it still runs like new. The third generation RX (2010-2015) will be nearing a decade old, and little was done to the 2015 model to differentiate it from the 2010 other than a modest front refresh. You originally stated that you wanted a "big, clear display" and "ease of use controls". Unfortunately, the third gen RX was widely criticized for it's lacking infotainment system. It was found to be very unintuitive and used a confusing, mouse-like setup (not a touchscreen). The Buick Envision was all new for the 2016 model year, so of course it will include all of the latest tech features. Not to mention, the Envision includes GM's praised Intellilink infotainment system, which is often credidited as one of the best in the auto industry. Upper trim levels of the Envision can even parallel and perpindicular park themselves!

Yes, it is true that newer GM models have not proven their reliability yet as older Toyota models have. It's really just down to whether you want to pay your "Toyota Tax" now, or use the price savings from a GM vehicle to pay for a few more repairs down the road. Who knows, maybe GM will surprise us and their new line of vehicles will last as long as a Toyota! Only time will tell! :)

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Response from NormT

6:33 am July 18, 2018

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