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Looking For better ingress and egress from my next car.

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jls313

Love my 14' Mazda 6 with one exception, ingress and egress is awful for someone older or overweight. No matter how I adjust the seat I have to fall in to the car to get in most of the time and getting out is a chore too. Still, great mileage, reliability, safety features and looks are hard to beat. Want to stay with Mazda but nothing currently works for me in its lineup. Will probably buy off lease in a few months and look for a new vehicle in a year or so. Koeru concept based CX-4-6 is awesome looking and a taller but not too tall vehicle which I hope would remove the ingress-egress issue. Figure it will be on the market in a 12-18 months. Anyone seen the concept or spy photos have any thoughts on it. Also looking at the Fiat 500X as a small, unique taller vehicle. Resale and the infamous 9-speed make me hesitant. Would be interested in hearing from any owners or others familiar with the vehicle. It appears big discounts may be available (5k or more).

Priorities: Exterior styling / Front seat support & comfort / Feature availability

Preferred Bodystyle(s): Sedan / Coupe / Hatch

Car Needs: Daily commuter / Errands about town / Long trips

Primary Driver(s): Senior driver

Need minimum of 4 seats

Will consider both new and used cars
Maximum mileage: 25000
Maximum age: 2 years

Maximum price: US $ 26000

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Response from Rodney

6:43 pm February 27, 2016

I don't see a whole lot of difference between the CX-5 and the pics I found of the CX-4/6. I'm tall and have the same problem with the Mazda 6.

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Response from mkaresh

11:48 am February 29, 2016

Hardly any members have bought a Fiat 500X. I don't think they're getting anywhere with it. I have the related Jeep Renegade this week. I like the styling and (in a way) the trucky feel, but it's nothing like a Mazda in character, and neither performance nor fuel economy is anything special.

The CX-5 isn't a contender? Too tall? The CX-3 isn't much taller than a car--possibly enough, though?--but also might not have enough interior space.Mazda is about to introduce a new CX-9, but you might not be interested in a three-row crossover.

I imagine you're not a fan of the styling, but it's hard to beat a Subaru Forester for ease of getting in and out and interior space. Very high ceiling. A turbo variant is offered if you want quick acceleration. The Subaru Legacy might also work. It's a couple inches taller than the Mazda6 and significantly roomier.

A final suggestion, from left field. I really enjoyed a week with the Ford C-Max. It has the seating height, easy of entry, and front seat space you're looking for, and a very nicely tuned suspension. What it probably doesn't have is the styling, and possibly not the performance, either. The front end has been improved for the European market, but for some reason not yet for the U.S.


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Response from jls313

11:39 pm February 29, 2016

Mike, thanks for the advice. As a former Legacy owner (09') I was happy with the vehicle, but when my lease was up it was no contest between the M6 and the newer Legacy. One minute behind the wheel of the CVT Legacy and I knew it was not for me (trans very noisey). New Legacy is a bit better, but styling?, come on this is 2016, not 2006. I'm sure this car is pictured next to "bland" in the dictionary. Actually agree the Forester is an ideal ingress-egress car but frankly cheap interiors (compared to Mazda, at least) rule it out for me.

I'm pretty well decided on keeping my M6 for a while after lease is up.
Really like the look of the Koeru (CX-6?) and it looks like it should be priced right around where the M6 is.
500X has cuteness going for it as well as that euro mistique, but I agree that the Mazda brand is head and shoulders above it. Sorry, but I apparently am the only person who thinks the CX-3 is butt ugly since its styling has had rave reviews and CX-5 is just typical SUV styling which I basically dislike. Will be anxiously awaiting the debut of the CX-6. My research has suggested auto show debut in the next few months (Shanghai, NY?) and possible onsale date somewhere by year's end. Haven't seen anything specific on US debut.

Len

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Response from mkaresh

2:24 pm March 1, 2016

I'm starting to think you were serious when you listed styling first in your priorities!

Agreed that Subaru's styling ranges from bland to downright unattractive.

For me, the aesthetic problem with the CX-3 is they put wide black plastic trim around the wheel openings. Getting the largest wheels helps with this, but thinner trim would help a lot.

Which other cars do you find attractive?

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Response from jls313

3:35 pm March 1, 2016



Mike:

I think it's fair to say the Mazda 6's styling is a lot better than the Legacy though a lot of other midsizes are starting to look similar. My problem with the CX-3 is the floating roof makes it look like the Hunchback of Notre Dame. Another major styling gripe that has taken over the industry, black or dark gray wheels. No offense, but most black wheels (unless they have a bright lip) look like a car riding on steelies after the hubcaps fell off. You also can't see the design of the wheels that you spent a friggen fortune for. The gray? Looks like a major epidemic of brake dust hit the wheels. But what do I know.

What other cars do I think are stylish. Not many, but I do like the attractive but a bit overstyled Q30, the Nissan Qashqai (soon to be sold here, I understand), and the gorgeous, but unobtainable DS (Citroen) C5. Volvo S90 is a looker too. In the end I can't afford most of these so back to reality.

By the way, it's nice that a stylish reasonably priced car like the Mazda 6 has plenty to offer above styling. Mileage for a car of this size is amazing (get 38 on road trips) also love Blind Spot and Cross Path features as well as commander switch (not available on most other cars). Would people really rather use a touch screen or should I say finger print collector to operate infotainment.

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Response from mkaresh

4:28 pm March 1, 2016

As you probably know, the Q30 is essentially a Mercedes GLA. I wasn't aware that the Qashqai is coming to the U.S. If it does, it'll have a CVT.

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Response from jls313

10:59 pm March 1, 2016

I've driven some CVTs that were tolerable so I can't say that it's a complete deal breaker. It's just that the CVT in the Legacy I tested back in 13' (when I leased my M6) was awful.

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Response from mkaresh

10:51 am March 2, 2016

I think those in current Subarus, Nissans, and Hondas tend to feel better. Except for the small Hondas, where the engine is far too buzzy.

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Response from jls313

10:43 pm March 12, 2016

Pretty much decided on keeping my Mazda 6 when the lease expires June 1. I figure 12 months further down the road some choices I 'm interested in will be available such as the new CX-4 and the US version of the Nissan Qashqai. Also would expect to build up some equity which could provide a down payment or cash back if I decide to lease again.

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Response from jls313

3:13 am March 15, 2016

Disappointing news today about what I had hoped could be my next car, the Mazda CX-4. While it's to be introduced next month at the Beijing Auto Show it apparently will be a China only vehicle for now.

Seems to make little sense. Firstly, why was the Koeru concept (mirror image of the CX-4) shown in Frankfurt last year if it's production sibling is only going to be sold in China. Secondly this endless talk about this vehicle being a new paradigm in cuvs (sleek coupe like) and having a world class new NVH suppression system rings hollow when this is being told to journalists in the West when the car is apparently years away from being sold in this part of the world. My plan was to wait a year or so after my lease expires, but now I wonder. Really not seeing anything I want right now, but wondering whether I should just look for a really good deal and compromise on my wants and needs. In the end I'll probably buy my current M6 off lease just to buy some time since the car runs great and is low mileage. Still very disappointing given my enthusiasm for this future vehicle.

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Response from mkaresh

7:25 pm March 15, 2016

If the noise suppression system is effective they should add it to other models, and likely will. With the CX-4 they might just realize that their marketing budget is already spread to thin. They're not doing a great job getting the word out about the models they already offer.

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Response from jls313

10:16 pm March 15, 2016

Your point may have some validity, but marketing budgets should spread the word about something different or special about your vehicles. After years of pushing Skyactive, and designing very attractive cars Mazda still has barely made a dent in sales compared to some far less appealing choices. So it seems that they had a chance here to offer something special for the market that would catch the public's fancy and management has pretty much described this car in that fashion. So bury it where no one in the western world will see it for a few years and that certainly should boost your sales momentum worldwide.

Sorry, but the CX-5 is a "bland looks like every other" type CUV. The CX-3 is cramped and to my eye at least, plain old ugly. Still love the 6 but I'd love it a lot more if I didn't have to throw my back out every time I get in and out of it.

I know I'm just venting about getting enthusiastic about a new vehicle and then having the rug pulled out from under me. At this point I think I'll put my decision on hold and revisit it in about a year. Who knows, by then Mazda may have thought better of sequestering this product.

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Response from jls313

2:09 am December 20, 2016

Thought I'd log in and update my thoughts on my next car. I did indeed buy my Mazda 6 off lease and based on the current situation will probably be keeping it for at least another year.

There are some vehicles that I'm interested in that have recently been introduced or will be out within a year or so. I'm specifically impressed with the new Jeep Compass which will be out this coming spring. Very stylish with the black roof option and sized about perfectly. Nothing great on mileage and 2.4 Tiger Shark isn't much to write home about. Good news from my perspective is Aisen 6 speed available (Japanese branded) on FWD which would be my choice. Heard so many complaints about the 9 speed.

Other problem is FCA in general. Reliability and service is problematic so do I want to go from a car that in 3 1/2 years was trouble free to something potentially much worse? Also have seen the Nissan Kicks introduced in Latin America a B segment CUV. Kind of a better looking Juke with many upscale features. A bit is missing as I see no center arm rest at least in that market. Built in Mexico so likely to come here but nothings been said yet. 18 months after Automotive News said the Qashqai was coming here there hasn't been one word about it. Not holding my breath on that one either.

Looks like not much is out there that appeals to me. Have written off the CX-4 as never coming here. In fact a Mazda honcho said they needed something special to appeal to the Chinese market since it's
extremely competitive. Guess the rest of the world isn't. New CX-5 looks just about the same as its predecessor so I'd be surprised to see Mazda's sluggish sales turn around much from that.
Will look at the Compass when it comes out, but it seems I'm on hold for a while.

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Response from mkaresh

11:24 am December 20, 2016

Response from jls313

2:18 pm December 20, 2016

Definitely going to give it a year at least. Potentailly relocating to the west coast (SoCal) in a year or so. Question of driving my current car out there or getting something new beforehand.

But it will be late 17 or early 18 before I do this. So the bugs out of the Jeep may influence that decision if it's still in the running. BTW, I think the Nissan Kicks is a direct competitor for the Toyota CH-R. Can't imagine why they'd cede that market to Toyota when they have a strong potentiual competitor. It should replace the Juke, though for some reason Nissan wants to keep selling it here.

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Response from jls313

2:48 am January 19, 2017

Went to the NAIAS yesterday. For me the car of choice there was the Nissan Qashqai (Sorry hate the Rogue Sport moniker). Funny, apparently Nissan doesn't think Americans are capable of pronouncing Qashqai, but Canadians are since they are keeping the name in Canada.

Car is perfect size with easy ingress and egress (a priority for me) and an interior much nicer than its price point would suggest. Even has soft touch on the center console something I didn't see on any vehicel I sat in at the show. Expect it will have good mileage and the only drawback would be the CVT. Not familiar with Nissan's CVT performance. Noted somewhere online that the 2.0 engine may have stop-start technology. Something I'm not crazy about.

U.S. version will be made in Japan. Not a bad thing Still on hold for a year or so, but this vehicle clearly is the front runner.

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