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dchaitu

I'm currently driving an Audi Q5 3.0T APR Stage 1, and I'm in the market for a sedan that has similar performance. I'm looking at 2016 model years CPOs of Audi A6, Jaguar XF, Lexus GS 350, and Volvo S90. Reliability, handling, and performance are important, and I appreciate your feedback!

Priorities: Ride smoothness / Quietness / Reliability & durability

Need minimum of 4 seats

Will consider both new and used cars
Maximum mileage: 35000
Maximum age: 3 years

Maximum price: US $ 37000

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Response from danlisahall

12:11 pm June 28, 2018

Since reliablity is important to you I'd discard the Volvo & Jag.

Generally speaking the Audi will out perform the Lexus by a small margin, but the Lexus will outlast the Audi. Consumer reports gives the Audi higher marks for comfort.

If you are happy with your Q5, you will probably be happy with the A6 unless reliablity is your numero uno concern. However, if you tend to not keep vehicles past their warranty periods reliablity becomes less important.

I'd go with the A6

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Response from ejulien6

2:09 pm June 28, 2018

Two other contenders to check out would be the 2016-2018 Infinity Q50 Sportas well as the 2016-2018 Buick Regal GS. Both models come in AWD,V6 engines and are nicelyequipped.

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Infiniti Q50
Buick Regal

Response from Movovr

6:15 pm June 28, 2018

Considered the Acura TSX A-Spec? Looked at one recently and it was pretty darn nice and met all the criteria listed.

Also, as others have said, I would avoid the European brands due to reliability issues and costs. The Lexus would be my first choice from your list, and I may even look at the hybrid version as I believed that it had more HP compared to the non-hybrid version.

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Acura TSX
Lexus GS

Response from LectroFuel

7:49 pm June 28, 2018

If you don't keep your car for that long, an S90 would be a great car. If you do want reliability (like you said), I would throw away the Jag and Volvo and get a Lexus GS. The GS is kind of outdated.

The Audi isn't that reliable, but better than most luxury cars.

Another car to put on your list is the Buick Regal GS. It is reliable and pretty nice. It is a very heavy car for what it is however and it feels like it when you corner.

I would suggest a new 2019 Toyota Avalon, but it is only FWD. Very nice car, better than the Lexus GS or previous ES. It is actually fun to drive this time.

Perhaps a 2017 Audi A4 Quattro would be better. It has more modern technology than the A6 and is very nice. It handles better than the A6 and has been pretty reliable.

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Lexus GS
Buick Regal
Audi A4 / S4 / RS4

Response from ejulien6

9:23 am June 29, 2018

Response from dchaitu

12:00 pm June 29, 2018

Thank you for the wonderful responses.

  1. Audi A6: This is my top pick; I like the technology and have experience with both the motor and the ZF transmission coming from the Q5; I have driven many of the cars suggested below, and this motor and transmission are simply in a class of its own. I would expect the handling of the A6 to be significantly better than my Q5 though, the Q5 handles like a boat taking on water.
  1. Lexus GS: This is my second choice, but I'm kind of disappointed by the 6-speed transmission. I have driven an RX-350 and it carries the same motor/transmission; it wasn't very enthusiastic in performance. The GS's rear tires steering is very interesting though and from a reliability perspective, the Lexus would win hands down.
  1. Jaguar XF: The car looks like a stunner but reliability is a concern. I also read the engine/transmission aren't as slick as the Audi's. Nonetheless, I get a 2016 CPO, that extends the warranty to 2022, would it be a good buy?
  1. Infiniti Q50: My previous leased car I turned in this month is an Infiniti Q50 Hybrid. The Q50 has gobs of torque and gets off the line like a bat out of hell, but doesn't really have the refinement of the Audi or the Lexus. The AWD has this weird kick every time the car slips on ice or snow. The trunk is ridiculously small, and run-flat tires finally killed the car for me ? I went through 6 tires (sidewall flats and bubbles) in 3 years of ownership.
  1. Acura TSX A-Spec: I'm not really into the design of the older Acuras, would pick a Lexus in a heartbeat. I definitely dig the redesigned 2018 models though, but I'm more interested in a CPO.
  1. Buick Regal: To be honest, I prefer Japanese/German over Buick/Lincoln/Cadillac.
  1. Toyota Avalon: I liked the Avalon, it looks very nice; lack of AWD killed it though. Winter tires can be a good alternative, but I have no space to store a set of tires.
  1. Audi A4: The S4 would actually be a good alternative, but the A6 has the same motor with better tech/features/space.
  1. Ford Fusion: Isn't Ford discontinuing all their cars?

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Audi A6 / S6
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Response from AcuraT

12:55 pm June 29, 2018

The answers above are great, but to answer your question, "Isn't Ford discontinuing all of their cars?" The answer is no. They are discontinuing most, but not all, of their cars in America (rest of world, they will still be sold).

In America, the plan is to continue developing and redesigning the Mustang and Focus for America. The Fusion is going to be phased out in America at the next redesign cycle, but sold elsewhere where sedans are more popular.

Hope that helps.

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Response from ejulien6

2:31 pm June 29, 2018

Response from LectroFuel

5:23 pm June 29, 2018

I forgot to mention the Kia Stinger! It seems like the perfect fit. The shape of it is like the Audi A7 or Tesla Model S, a fastback. The driving dynamics are very good and the interior is nice. It has a 10 year/100k mile warranty whether you buy new or CPO. The GT2 AWD trim is probably the one for you. I drove one and was very impressed by it. Before you knock it because it is a Kia you should drive one. It should be pretty reliable. It has a lot more usable cargo space than any sedan.

The Genesis G80 is also a good one. You could get a Genesis by Hyundai for very cheap since it has a Hyundai badge and they are almost the same car. They are definitely more comfortable than sporty, so I'm not sure it it is for you. It is one of the few reliable luxury cars on the market however. I really liked it when I drove it. They have the same warranty as the Kia.

I agree with you on buying a car from the Detroit 3 brands; I'm not a fan of them either. I have always thought the A6 was more of a big luxury cruiser and not a performance car, but maybe I'm wrong. I don't think the Jaguar would be a good buy. I had a Jaguar that I sold the month the 3 year warranty was up. I liked the car, but couldn't stand spending $500 every month to retrieve the windows that always fell into the doors and the water pumps that would explode. Resale value is terrible, too. The Lexus seems like a nice balance of luxury and fun (and reliability), but a little more comfort-minded.

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Kia Stinger
Genesis G80

Response from NormT

7:40 am June 30, 2018

Skip this current generation of Stinger. Many review complain about noise levels and the GT actually creaks from it's frame twisting. See YouTube review by Savagegeese is a track oriented reviewer but has some good opinion on design of interior and ergonomics along with putting each car he reviews on a lift and looking and dissecting what the manufacturer put into the car.

The 2017 and earlier Buick Regal 2.0T AWD has a similar Haldex4 system you are used to it with a torque vectoring rear differential. For about $400.00 a ecu tune on 92 octane is good for about 350 lb-ft of torque and is a wheel in wolf's clothing with its Opel Insignia heritage. You should be able to find them for $20K or less and go test drive the AWD on a rainy day as it will prove to be fun. The GS variant will be .ore expensive but have adjustable dampers and stickier rubber that will eclipse most cars in handling tests in Motor Trend figure-8 exercise.

If you want more flash the Cadillac ATS is one of the better handling, RWD chassis today. The Borg Warner AWD has a slight rear bias and is a hot on slippery surfaces.

The CTS is also built from the same chassis as the ATS and offers 3 6l AWD or 2.0T.

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Buick Regal
Cadillac ATS
Cadillac CTS

Response from LectroFuel

12:46 pm July 1, 2018

That isn't a good reason to not buy the Stinger. He got an early build and they have probably worked out some of the bugs by now. Besides, this guy said he prefers Japanese/German over Buick/Lincoln/Cadillac. Cadillacs aren't particularly reliable either.

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Response from NormT

7:32 am July 2, 2018

Stop making excuses for the poor recommendation of the Stinger. The Savagegeese YouTube review was one month ago and a press car, so it is the best Kia has right now.

Over half the owners have issues with Stinger quality in a poll.

https://stingerforum.org/threads/poll-stinger-owner-initial-quality.3713/

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Response from mkaresh

2:48 pm July 2, 2018

Response from LectroFuel

4:30 pm July 2, 2018

And he said at the end of the video that he liked the car and he was blown away that it was Kia's first try at a GT car as it was very good. The only things he didn't were the rattles and the fake hood vents. It's like a cheaper Audi A7 or a performance-oriented model of the Buick Regal Sportback.

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Response from NormT

12:16 am July 5, 2018

Or Tesla who are quick to fix.



Stopping Distance Retest After an ABS Firmware Update - 2017 Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test

Stopping Distance Retest After an ABS Firmware Update - 2017 Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test

We took our 2017 Tesla Model 3 back to our test track to remeasure its emergency stopping distance after Tesla issued a firmware update to correct a deficiency in this area.


Supposedly they are cutting corners but with over the air updates the concern is moot within a day or so.

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Response from NormT

1:57 pm July 10, 2018

Response from LectroFuel

6:19 pm July 10, 2018

And that proves Michael's point that Kia finds problems with their cars quicker and creates TSBs quickly. This Motor Trend editor also expects to be served by a nicer dealer despite driving a car from the same brand that makes the Rio. Doesn't seem like a valid argument, but he said his experience was positive. It's good that Kia hasn't had many powertrain problems with the Stinger in its first year and just the same rattle. CNET also had the same liftgate rattle as Motor Trend in their long term test.

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Response from NormT

6:59 pm July 10, 2018

if it was a quick fix it shouldn't been released out of beta testing. No reason to pay $50,000 for a Kia Stinger that is half baked

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Response from LectroFuel

7:16 pm July 10, 2018

Having a trunk rattle doesn't mean it is half-baked. It's the first model year and during that first model year, every automaker has to sort out the bugs. There's no better way to test what breaks on a car easily than releasing it to the public. No torture test performed by Kia would be sufficient because testing only a few cars probably wouldn't reveal anything involving the problems with the car.

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Response from NormT

9:52 pm July 10, 2018

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