well apparently there is a text field limit
(in the case of the Eco, for me, it was the large infotainment screen on the tech package, or the push button start, whichever showed first).
Found a few, all the way on the east coast. Even with a 3-6k lower sticker price out there, we didn't feel confident dropping $$$ on tickets to the northeast during holiday season, knowing fully that we could have to buy tickets back sameday. The gap in price filled pretty quickly after putting in travel costs, unknowns, etc.
Found myself looking at the top '15 sonata trims too(2.0T Sports, etc), but they were almost always outside of our price range. Barely starting at 14.5, and those were probably flood cars or something.
Skip ahead another couple weeks of agony, to last week. I discovered the Hyundai genesis (12-13 models). Seemed too good to be true. High HP engine, fantastic 0-60 times (4.7 seconds on the 5l v8? pretty gross for a ~14k car), good reliability, tons of features, very comfortable, fantastic sound systems... all within 13-15k. Of course, I was only really interested in the highest trim on them since it came with some neat stuff. Well, we found one locally that was $12,900. It had an accident history but it was nothing major, after looking up the accident records it was a sub 25 MPH impact with signage of some kind. Less than $2000 repair and was halfway into it's life (around 2015). didn't concern me.
We finally went to go see it in person, and... It's nice. It's got some wear on the interior but nothing major. The accident repair was good, no ill fitting paneling, no frame damage (that I could tell). After getting behind the wheel though. Damn. That is a fat ass car. To be fair I hadn't driven a car with that euro heavy wheel feel since around 2011 when I drove my dads retarded CTS-V, or his equally dumb z4 with a s65 engine swap (twin turbo v8 in a miata basically). So It took me a bit to get used to. However the car in general just didn't handle well, lots of body roll and the chassi contorted pretty broadly in turns. It was pretty fun in a straight line though. The interior tech was ok, mostly the connection stuff was outdated and didn't work with our stuff (iphone, android) via usb. Had no media over bluetooth capability. Forgot to bring an aux cable. Gas milage isn't great, but not as bad as I figured since it weighs like 4000 lbs.
However towards the end of our time with it I discovered it's fatal flaw. It'd been smoked in. heavily. They did a good job getting it out of the interior, but at some point I noticed It had an ashtray (which itself is weird, felt like I hadn't seen one in forever in a car). So I picked it up and gave it a sniff. It reeked. Ran the AC and heat on blast/recirculate for a few minutes and it eventually started to smell awful. Fiance evacuated immedietly. We're both pretty sensitive to stanks like that, but it's migraine territory for her. Was pretty sad about it. Even though the cars handling was pretty gruesome, it was nice in every other way. Definitely suggest them to anyone here that is interested in a good highway cruiser. We left empty handed.
Had been looking at them in Canada, where once again they were much cheaper (8-11k usd). We decided to just pass on it since it wasn't as much fun as I'd hoped.
Then I deep dived into Camry/Accord V6s. Which are nice (drove a '12 camry XSE while I was at the dealer w/ the genesis, it was good), but generally too expensive unless I go back to 08-10 models, and higher miles. They're fairly pricey in Canada too, not as much as here but still out of our price range.
After that, my ourobos of a car journey completed and I began looking at prices of '09-'12 Lexus IS250/350, G37xS, Acura TL AWDs, Cadillac CTS, TSXs, and even my old friend the Optima SXL. There are numerous options of each within our price range in Canada. I'm afraid I've drifted a bit too far into the SPORT territory, my fiance is pretty adamant about me getting something I want, since I've put so much work into finding it I guess, but I still want to get something we'll both enjoy.
So, Suggestions? I've been considering the Chevy Impala (know almost nothing about them though), Acura TL 10-12 (leaning towards 12), TSX (12-13 as well), Optima SX Turbo (14+), IS 250 (I know it's not that fast, but it's faster than our old accord and about as quick as my old bimmer, and probably nice, plus theres about 100x more of them than there are 350s), IS 350, G37 X/xS/S(may be too fast/rough?), Caddy CTS 09-12. I'm trying to remind myself that any shortcomings in these car's outdated infotainment systems can be fixed easily enough with modern aftermarket options, though I know next to nothing about how true that is for luxury brands.
I'm kind of leaning towards the TL or TSX, and the Optima SXL (if I can find one). The IS350 is also pretty tempting but they are seemingly very rare in Canada (and expensive here, like 16-20k for a '09-12), though not impossible to find. The Is250 is of course also up there, though I'm not a fan of the amount of power you lose going to the 250 considering it has almost identical gas milage.
I guess thats it.
I want something comfortable, fun to drive, and relatively cheap to maintain. I know very little about the reliability of domestics like the Impala or Caddy. truedelta's data on them is a little sparse, so I'm not keen on it's accuracy. Acura and Lexus are known operators though and some of the best in the business, and Infiniti isn't bad, but not nearly as good.
Shoot me anything else I should consider, I have pretty much ignored europeans outright due to maintenance/upkeep.